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Tuesday, January 27, 2015
DICE Ch. 81
Another update? Yup, and hopefully the chapters will be caught up to the raws in the near future... The new poll is pretty similar to the last one, but it'd be interesting to see how many haters Rachel Eunju has. (Okay, she's far from Rachel level, but you get the point). Thank you Fábio and Sira for redrawing this chapter. I bow to your undeniable prowess. And last but certainly not least, Splicer for cleaning/typesetting/all-the-stuff-I'm-incapable-of-doing. Enjoy~
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Thanks!! great chapter :)
ReplyDeleteThe irony is that Rachel is also my favourite character in ToG… the only reason I even read that series, actually.
ReplyDeleteOooh. What a low punch. How can Rachel be the only reason?
DeleteHow can anyone like Rachel, when there are best girls like Androssi and Yuri...
DeleteI won't be satisfied unless Urek Mazino bitchslaps her out of tower
Well, this is not a ToG discussion forum. I'd never be provocative in a place full of ToG fans, it's bad-tasted.
DeleteAnd I won't elaborate much either, as this is not a ToG forum. So for a brief answer, let's say most characters there I find bland and uninteresting, most of what happens doesn't really catch my attention, and the only thing that interests me is the mystery around Baam, Rachel and Headon. Everything else is a distraction.
I like Rachel for almost the same reason too! Wow, I've never heard of a single person that likes her until now. I'm relieved...
DeleteWhat about everyone's favorite Lizard?
DeleteTrue, I also like Anak Zahard, I even learned her name!
DeletePoor Rachel... She only wants to reach the stars... Even if making an agreement with Headon to kill Baam :D
DeleteI wonder if Headon is Zahard himself, the real king and guardian of the Tower.
No Headon is one of the top Guardians who sees who has the potential to climb it. But yea this isn't about ToG. But wait Rachel made an agreement to kill Baam I thought what they agreed to hadn't been mentioned yet
Deletewill there be a dice epidemic, now that he fell in an open city area full of people?
ReplyDeletethanks, it was a great chapter :D
ReplyDeletesems like dongtae didnt rally decide, i would chose miu, she seems a better person :) but i feel sorry for enju, if she would show her class mates the scars on her body im pretty sure they would start to understand her ^_^ AND, im really tired of this constant "you dont have any idea how it is blabla" :[
Understand? Hardly, I'm afraid. And in any case, it's not as if she needs to prove anything to them. Showing them her scars would be tantamount to saying "Pity me!" Eunju is strong and earns my admiration because she really lives by her motto from chapter 19, "I think people should work hard with what they have been given."
DeleteAs for Dongtae, he is just a teenager, he will make up his mind. Mio will have her efforts rewarded, I predict.
Thanks for the new chapter.
ReplyDeleteWhy does everyone think Eunju is so perfect and blessed anyway? Everyone is like "you wouldn't understand you're soooo perfect, blah blah blah" I mean really?
ReplyDeleteThanks for the quick update!
ReplyDeleteOn a side note, I'm honestly perplexed as to why so many people hate on Eunju so much. She's one of the nicest, if not THE nicest, character in the entire series and she also definitely has the most integrity. In fact, the very reason she's taken advantage of so often by others is her kindness and trusting nature. She's quick to jump to the aid of pretty much everyone around her (e.g. Dongtae, Miju, Sungchil, etc.) whether or whether not they're her friends and even at the expense of her own safety.
If you hate her because she's seemingly perfect, let me try and explain why this is an illogical thought process. First of all, she's NOT perfect as the scars on her body should clearly indicate to you. At some point in time, I'm guessing she was the victim of child abuse. Despite this, she's almost always positive and uplifting of the people around her (e.g. Dongtae, Mio, etc.). Moreover, like someone else said, so many characters keep saying "you wouldn't understand, you're so perfect" without knowing the slightest thing about her or her past (which I'm sure we will learn more about in coming chapters).
If you hate her for not becoming a Dicer, then let me ask you if you would forsake everything you believed in to become the very thing that causes so much death and destruction around you. If your answer is no, then you're starting to think a little more like Eunju. Her group of friends, her choir group, her very life has been turned upside down thanks to the spreading of the Dice and all she wants is for everything to go back to the way it was.
Finally, if there's anyone you should hate in this series, I think Mooyoung or X should probably make the top of your list. Mooyoung has betrayed and killed so many of his once "friends" that his hands should permanently be stained red. X, on the other hand, rejoices in manipulating and playing with the feelings and very LIVES of the downtrodden, giving them hopes of changing their own lives and even the world all the while knowing they have virtually no chance of beating him and obtaining the final Die (think back to how Mooyoung was beaten within seconds). Even Taebin should be a more worthy candidate of your dislike than Eunju. He played with her feelings all in order to complete a stupid quest and even went as far as to taunt and humiliate Dongtae while doing so, someone who could not be more similar to how Taebin himself was in the past.
So anyway if you read all this and still hate Eunju, I would be really interested if you could list your reasons for doing so. To me, hating Eunju is akin to hating that one really nice, really popular guy or girl from your high school that you later found out suffered from depression/abuse/etc. throughout his or her life, and that just makes no sense to me.
Jin, I would especially be interested in hearing your thoughts on the matter.
After almost a year arguing the same things until my fingers went numb, and experiencing the very same perplexity you do, Mr Anon, I don't know how I feel about what you wrote:
Deletei. Whether I am happy that I am not the only one.
ii. Whether I am jealous that I have never managed to be so cogent.
iii. Or whether I am sad that a horde of Eunju-haters is probably coming right now to rehash the old points. I can almost hear the angry fingers.
You hit the nail on the head on all accounts. If anything, I can anticipate what other vitriol remains that people can and will raise against Eunju:
a. The Anti-Hipocrisy Brigade - they are the people who believe Eunju dated Taebin solely due to his looks and as such is an hypocrite for disapproving of people who want to improve theirs. They normally also say she would have never noticed Dongtae if he didn't improve his and that she can only afford to disapprove of Dice because she is a "6" (pretty, clever, popular, you name it). A nasty mutation of this strain of thought is the one that holds she is actually evil and is only sad now because she is no longer popular in the school.
b. The Progressives - they are the people who accuse Eunju of being a Luddite, someone who disregards Dice as a force for progress, something that can give people the power to accomplish great things. They take particular issue with her now famous conversation with Dongtae on their way back from Byungchul's house, when she said she didn't think people would need ESP powers and that people "should work hard with what they have been given".
c. The Utilitarians - those Jeremy Bentham's forgotten disciples believe Eunju is just a person who stands by in the sidelines, crying and "doing nothing" to uphold her moral views. That she ought to find a way to fight against X, or even become a Dicer to pursue this goal. Otherwise, she is useless. They like to quote "be the change you desire" when they criticise her. They also say refusing to use Dice accomplishes nothing and hers is the ostrich strategy, burying her head in the sand and failing to accomplish anything good despite her intentions. A variation are those literary reviewers who think she serves no plot purpose due to her inaction.
d. The Profounders - they are the people who believe Eunju is shallow, lacks any emotional depth and has a naïve view of the world and human nature.
I have spent hours arguing these points elsewhere, so I'll just stand by and watch this time. If you weather the storm, my salute to you!
I'll reply tomorrow. Splicer said some good point, but I have more.
DeleteI really hate lack of edit option.
DeleteOh, I have many many more, that's why I stopped responding, it has been a while since I last saw something new. The above are just the ones that show up more often.
DeleteThe are the people who consider Eunju stupid and indifferent to what happens around her. The people who think she is emotionally insensitive and ignores Dongtae's attentions. The people who think she is somehow at fault for liking Taebin despite his not liking her.
I have seen all of these, including your points on the comments chapter 79, all without exception, over and over in the past months, and have argued each one extensively.
Oh, and there are the people who think Eunju is a Mary Sue, someone perfect who evokes no interest because there is no dramatic tension around her and her actions are predictable.
Let's see, something else?
Ah, yes, the people who think she is gullible and easily mistaken in others, and easily deceived. I have also argued this point.
All in all, I'm a bit tired of this, really, mainly because after a long exposition of my reasons for not buying any of these accusations, I got the following response from an Eunju-hater:
"I agree with everything you said but still hate her for some unknown reason. XD"
XD, indeed.
I've lost illusions that I can convince anyone. I can write a treatise on Eunju and no one will change their minds. I cannot blame them, in the end it's a matter of taste.
So I stick to my admiration for her character, the haters will hate, the indifferent will remain where they are, and we will all enjoy the series together until the bitter end.
Don't know if you'll see this anon, but I'll put it here anyway.
DeleteI wouldn't go as far as to say Eunju is my favorite character because I just can't bring myself to love her. I do believe she's an admirable one, though. It's just- a little part of me dies every time I see Eunju fight X because I know that I'd probably take the dice and the destruction that comes with it.
And I don't think Eunju will ever be my favorite character because Byungchul is. Just cause.
Since some time in the history, Eunju kinda irritated me, but it was fine, just my personal taste for characters, no big particular reason for that. But, really, if you have dice and you are in the outside of a barrier seeing two people kill themselves, it would be so bad to become a dicer and try to stop the fight, or at least call the cops, or dongtae, someone, anyone, instead of just keep screaming? I know, she doesn't like dice, but lives shouldn't be more valuable than the opinion she has about dice? Just a thought... It's not that I hate her, but damn, to do the same as her in that situation I would need a freaking coold blood, you know what I mean?
DeleteYes, it would be just that bad to become a Dicer. If she doesn't, they might die; if she does, she may lose herself or be destroyed, and they might just as well die, because it's not as if by being a Dicer she can lift the barrier. Clearly, X was trying to trick her into becoming a Dicer in full knowledge that would solve nothing. Not to mention the fact that there was no attribute she could make a difference by raising with only three Dice.
DeleteI won't even start on her "opinion" regarding Dice, because I've written too much about that already. If it were just a matter of "opinion"…
Calling the cops? Exactly what would that accomplish? Can they overcome a superhuman technology like that barrier? Not to mention that in the meantime she went to call them, there was a high chance the fight would be over. And if she called them by phone, I wonder what she would say: "A couple teenagers are fighting in the park!" "Thanks for your call, I'll send you a cop when one is available." Or maybe "An invisible girl is fighting a flying boy with acid inside an invisible barrier!" "Sure, I'll send in the curiosity circus team."
Calling Dongtae… does she even know how far he is? And since when has Eunju any reason to believe Dongtae is the kind of person who would/could/should help? Not to mention the fact that she doesn't even understand what his skill is or what good it could do. Heck, does she even know whether Dongtae isn't actually engaging in PVP himself?
In that situation, she did all she could do: trying to block the fight, then trying to persuade them, and finally trying to help them.
To sum it all up: no, I am afraid I haven't the faintest idea what you mean.
Idk,I just don't like Eunju because... god this will sound stupid... because she's so goddamn nice. Idk why, I always seem to hate on the super-duper nice girl in the series, for some reason it annoys me.
DeleteBut honestly speaking, there was a time when I actually liked Eunju and I will probably like her more again when she does more than just standing around- that doesn't necessarily mean her picking up the Dice. I'd be happy if something really meaningful happened to her or because of her. Right now she's just watching, and even if she's just a good human, there could be... more.
Looking into her backstory in Detail would be interesting too, but I can wait for that until the right time is there.
Idk if Eunju does SOMETHING my least favorite character will probably be Taebin, can't stand him(And idk enough of Mooyoungs motives to hate him+ I'm- like basically every one in this goddamn world- a sucker for the ad guy :/)
Ok, Splicer I see you're quite a smart person... And it seems that you've listed all of the arguments...
DeleteBut, please give me a chance to say something from my point of view. It's my second time when I'm on a forum like this, so my fingers are far from getting numb ;P
Firstly I'm not the hater. My first comment here might tell you something else, but believe me, I just wanted to arouse reaction and see what happens. Seriously - how anyone can hate non-existent person from a comics? Overstatement... Ok, back to Eunju...
"She's one of the nicest, if not THE nicest, character in the entire series" - I can agree with that partially. She has the best personality and what I mean is - she's the kindest, most empathic person in the webtoon. She always want to help and she reacts for every evil she can notice. And here it is where problems are starting. Her reaction for evil is... crying? She can't help anyone, because she just can't (author's conception, right?). She is so empathic, however it seems she can't understand feelings of others (author's misconception haha). And I will repeat myself - she is helpless, she knows that she doesn't have any power and what does she do? Exactly nothing. It's the most irritating thing in this series. And I am aware that it's the author's trick, to cause this feeling. It's a great choice not to take dice and not to become X's slave, but she should find another solution, right? Like Mello said - she should ask anyone for help. Her boyfriend, Dongtae or really - anyone. Not only because of the situation in this and previous chapter.
The essence of my view - she was created by the author with the personality I have described above, but her actions doesn't match to it. The error of author? The special trick to make us write these meaningless comments? I know only that it is meant to cause the irritation.
PS Just to answer OP - Eunju is not a perfect person for sure. Not becoming the dicer was her wisest choice. You must look through the prism of author's mind.
Aaaaand again - sorry for my broken English.
DeleteProbably the situation will change, since Eunju has a dice. She will have to do something with it. I guess there are only 3 options [in the probability order]:
Delete- Finally she will communicate with someone and give him a dice
- She will do nothing
- She will use it (not really possible, but we still have a chance that she will do it accidentally)
Well, the thing is, I disagree completely with your assertions that Eunju is a) easily lied to; b) unaware of others' feelings and c) doing nothing.
DeleteBut as I said before, I have argued these points extensively already and see no point in doing it again. I could copy and paste, but that would really clutter the comment section as I am speaking of walls of text.
So… your opinion is duly noted.
As for what she will do with the A Rank Die, my guess is that she will give it to a Dicer she can trust in (probably, but not necessarily, Dongtae). Or she may turn evil, although I don't think it makes much sense.
While you guys make fair points, I just don't see any concrete ones that I find worth replying to. Splicer has already stated most of what I would reply so I guess there isn't much more to say. Like I said before, I just don't find how hating Eunju makes much sense. You may find her character slightly irritating at most since she chooses not to use the Dice and I suppose that's understandable, but hating her is going way too far and the idea of why you would do so still confuses me.
DeleteHey, just another thought, everyone didn't tell the teachers what happened in the biggest fight quest, right? They didn't because X said "if someone blabbers he/she will get no more quests". Why Eunju didn't tell the teachers then? It was clear that dice was involved, I suppose, she even was in a quest in the past, and she saw everybody fighting... She had dice to "prove it" to the teachers if necessary and all. I don't hate her, never did, I just don't get what she is trying to do sometimes, it irritates me a little...
DeleteHey Splicer, "it's not as if by being a Dicer she can lift the barrier. Clearly, X was trying to trick her into becoming a Dicer in full knowledge that would solve nothing. Not to mention the fact that there was no attribute she could make a difference by raising with only three Dice."
DeleteI know it, but she didn't know it, because she doesn't know exactly how dice works. X said she could save them if she rolled the 3 dice, she had no clue to think otherwise, has she? it was a trick, indeed, but how she could know it? So I suppose she didn't rolled them because she dislikes dice, that's all, she has reasons for that, of course.
aand, dongtae protected her once, she could at least give it a try, no? just send him a message or something. She discovered it was a quest all along, fine, but mio told her the reason why Dongtae created the guild, that should be enough to see that he is a nice guy, or at least think about whether calling him or not, I suppose. My main point was that seeing her so helpless every single time is just geting so old already. If she even tryed getting a freaking teaser, it would be nice, even the pepper spray was kinda lame, and it was the time when she was at her best in my opinion, she was in fact doing something about the fight and all.
Sorry for my bad english, it's not my native language.
And, man, I am just talking about the manwha, no hard feelings here, I am not a Eunju-hater, just in case that you got harassed by a couple of them and is already pissed off by this subject, peace =)
The problem with what you say is that it implies taking X's words at face value. Using the Dice to stop the fight was X's suggestion.
DeleteBut why should she believe him? You are essentially saying that Eunju, even if she doesn't know how Dice work, should follow something suggested by an entity that tried to destroy her before, and on whom she herself has just declared war. That makes no sense.
I think another reason she doesn't resort to Dongtae is simply because she has no reason to. Many people say she is useless and helpless, but despite being weak, she has not once requested help from anyone. She tries her best to defend herself and solve her own problems. One of the few pieces of criticism that I don't object to it from those who say she is reckless.
About telling the teachers… for one thing, she doesn't know whether they can help; for another, she probably fears that even adults can become corrupted by the Dice. Actually, one of the reasons she probably doesn't get rid of them is that she may fear someone else could find them.
The main problem is that Eunju is cornered by a supernatural entity. There's no one she can resort to. The most she can do is what she's been doing, arguing her point and trying to bring people to their senses.
Well, now I agree with you, Splicer, in some stuff that you said. I know, she has reasons to be suspicious about what X said, of course, he could be lying (and he was, I presume, she has too few dice indeed). I just think that in this desperate situation, if she wants to help, when arguing fails, she should give it a try, I would do it, at least, in her place. She doesn't know if she could save them, but stand and watch just talking to them to come back to their senses (which is really nice), even when she sees that it's not working (now it's not nice anymore), instead of trying to stop them is something I don't agree to, even when it's X who said she could help them. (for example, she could say to X "I will be a dicer, only if you put a barrier between them and stop the fight for today, and I only will roll the dice later, after you do that", it could work because he is so determined to making her roll them, and after that she could trick him, not rolling them, it would be sooo awesome, perhaps saying "X, I didn't said I would roll them IMMEDIATELY, I said later. I will just be a dicer if I am in my grave, then I will roll them!", it would be so freaking cool, reckless indeed, but she is reckless to protect people, suits her perfectly and would be really nice. I just think it would be nice if she by herself did something extremely interesting to the story, what has to happen yet. Showing a great sense of moral and trying to stop people by arguing with them is cool, but she is doing nothing "more" that that, and I guess she should, that's all).
DeleteSecondly, I don't think that the fact of she doesn't ask help and solve her problems by herself is a great quality. She defending herself is really nice, really, but in this particular situation, two people fighting to death is surely something worth of asking help about. I get the reasons about not telling the teachers, I just thought, dangerous situation, desperate attempts of solutions, try something, anything that could help... And yes, she is cornered by a supernatural entity, indeed, but she doesn't have a reason to resort to Dongtae? Why? He helped her fighting dicers at the chorus girl quest, so she knows that he is strong, and Mio told her why he created the guild. He likes dice but was clearly trying to avoid fights and protect people, or at least her, when he created it.
I think better about her right now, just don't agree with some of her actions and hope for she doing something more than what she did until now, like the example that I said, which would be incredible. She doing something big is something that I think will surely happen, I just think it is taking to long, and it irritates a bit. What irritates me more has gone from her actions to the shitty situation she is in, which is indeed really awful. But I yet think that she could do more about trying to change it than arguing people, in the cases that it doesn't work. Like the pepper spray case, she being more like that would be nice. Arguing and fighting despite being weak, instead of just arguing even when it doesn't work and all.
Ouch, grammar mistake in the first paragraph.
Delete*that that, and I guess she should
Damn, I'm getting so many chills because of how much Sungchul's death scene reminded me of Byungchul's.
ReplyDeleteIf the author irritates you with Eunju, he has succeeded with this manga. Any manga you read, you need different roles with all kinds of personality.
ReplyDeleteAnyway, we may finally see Eunju become a dicer, straight from an A-ranker dice, kinda cool.
She has to take it to prevent it from others, and accidentally become one.
Yup... Eunju is anti-Dice, anti-X...
DeleteNo X means no dice... No dice means no Manhwa!!
If it was for Eunju, there would be no manhwa. Nobody likes her. XD
Since Dongtae got into DICE I made my mind about the way the First Roll works, and would be very dissapointed if it were even slightly different from what I thought...
ReplyDelete... The way I see it, the fortunate ones would be those who rolled a 1, cause the way that "world" is implies that the lower you start off, the most you can make out of it;
That's tha way I see it.
Also, even if you say things like "DICE is the very thing that causes so much death and destruction around her life" (refering to why Eunju did'n became a DICEr), then let me point out to you the real life fact that you can't blame a tool (like DICE is) for killing people, it's just as silly as blaming a gun for shooting someone. The responsability for doing whatever they did, hurting whoever they hurt or killing anyone belongs to the doer not to the tool they used.
I'm sorry, but the gun comparison is flawed. Please refer to the discussion on chapter 72 for details.
Deletefirst of all, thanks to you guys for all the work :))
ReplyDeleteat this rate chapter 90 will be out in no time. anyone knows what are we supposed to do then?
Well, let's think of the problem when it presents itself.
DeleteChapter 82 is typeset and redrawn, minus three bubbles that are waiting translation. So, ladies and gentleman, there is a chance we will catch up to the Korean releases just before chapter 83 is released on Saturday!
ReplyDeleteEunju bashing is "natural" because most readers are ordinary, flawed beings living pretty sad and uninspiring lives. That's why we read comics, why we relate to ordinary characters becoming super-human (think Marvel Comics, think shounen/shoujo mangas, think dicers). That's why sick cynical heroes/vilains wanting to get their revenge on the world or ready to dirty their hands rather their preserve the statu quo feel more "human" and make for "more interesting" characters.
ReplyDeleteIt's exactly the same reasons why F/SN Shiro is so unlikeable! It takes aaaages (F/UBW, F/HF) before he goes full in-your-face-gosu-mode and you learn where he's coming from and what horrible events made him the relentless and idealistic guy he is. After that it's unquestionable he's a formidable character with "depth" but before that! My god! It's so bad bearing with anything he does or say!
That's just the power of psychology and writing. I'm hoping the author plans to do the same for Eunju giving her a more active role and more background, but the longer he drags this the more what we'll discover about her will have to be horrible. Not enough blood/grit and it'll just be poor writing... I haven't seen many such female characters in korean comics so I'm hopeful but it worries me quite a bit that I might be putting my hopes to high up. Either way I'm with Team-Splicer on that wishful train ;)
She sucks. Martin Luther king has shown us u don't need power to help change the world or your community. She didn't even help the Mc. Her motto accept your powerless situation so everyone can be happy
ReplyDeleteHonestly did she ever hang out with mio? That girl is like someone who says they believe in God but they don't do anything to show it. This girl wants the world the go back the way it was. Good point no more killing and stuff at school. That's a good idea but once it goes back to her ideal world what will happen to mio and our Mc? Will she stand up for them?! I don't think so little Missy will have her friends and her status will be the same.
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